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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: Gummywarning on December 07, 2011, 02:39 pm
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I had a visit from local law enforcement this morning, with a lot of questioning followed by execution of a search warrant and a drug dog search of my home. They mentioned an online transaction, and SR by name while questioning me. They did not attempt a controlled delivery, which leads me to believe this action was taken strictly based on my address and activity on SR and not a seized package. Luckily I used a fake name so I have something of a leg to stand on at least...
Gummystars is the only vendor I have ordered from in my short time being on here, and it is blatantly obvious to me that Gummystars is LEO fishing for buyers addresses. If you purchased from Gummystars, get any illicits out of your house NOW.
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I'm going to call bullshit here. what judge would grant a search warrant based on an attempted purchase of something from an online entity? and what would the charge be? attempted possession of a scheduled substance? controlled delivery is the only way they are going to have anything to get a warrant for. if he is a cop, he couldn't actually send you a drug, so what were they expecting to find? If this really happened, you have a good chance of suing the local law enforcement for something. you should talk to a pit bull type lawyer to get some of your tax money back from them!
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attempted possession is an arrestable offense. However, NO-NON Fed police agency is going 2 allow their officers 2 steal money the way GummyStar did. It would lead 2 an internal investigation, if the sheriff knew he would be terminated, the local community would lose trust in thier police force, and all for a search that found nothing. Sir your story is less than accurate. It is possible that you are trying 2 help the nubs by scaring them away from a scammer but that is the only reason I see for this post.
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Search warrants are founded upon "probable cause" which consists of direct information, or hearsay information (information given through an anonymous or confidential informant.)
I believe my information was given as hearsay, and this was twisted and presented to the judge in my district so that my address appeared as being a possible ship point for illicits and the warrant was to perform a search for such.
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attempted possession is an arrestable offense. However, NO-NON Fed police agency is going 2 allow their officers 2 steal money the way GummyStar did. It would lead 2 an internal investigation, if the sheriff knew he would be terminated, the local community would lose trust in thier police force, and all for a search that found nothing. Sir your story is less than accurate. It is possible that you are trying 2 help the nubs by scaring them away from a scammer but that is the only reason I see for this post.
Sorry I phrased the first post a bit quickly. This was conducted by my local law enforcement, but there was federal involvement with the warrant.
With your post on keeping the money: Look at the news and you'll see that a lot of police forces use money seized from any kind of drug related bust to help fund their department. It's quite common and known to be riddled with controversy. It happens all the time, and it would not lead to the chain of events you listed...
I'm not trying to scare people away from a scammer, Gummystars listings have already been removed. I just want people who ordered to know that it would be a VERY good idea to get any illicits out of their houses in case anything like what happens to me happens to another.
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LE would of coordinated raids on all of gummys buyers at the same time or at least the same day. So if it did happen then we will hear more of Gummys buyers reporting this. If it didnt happen then this guy may of really gotten a sample of LSD from somewhere
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Haha. That's some good LSD he got.
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Thanks for the heads-up.
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Thanks for trying to steer people away from Gummies, but there is seriously no point of making false claims like this and scaring others.
No one with any common sense believe that they executed a SW on your house with absolutely nothing but an address you mistakenly gave a scammer.
#1 You would have to be a real idiot to post this right after you got a knock from the police
#2 They would have taken your computer
#3 They are going balls to the wall for some acid dropped on a gummy?
The only way in hell anyone is going to believe you is if somehow you produce a scan copy of the warrant. Of course you won't do this bc it gives up your identity.. but you already did that if any of this story is true so....
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^^ He also said that he's been using a fake identity...? I really doubt that a judge is going to grant a search warrant for a residence that doesn't belong to the accused.
On top of that, why would GummyStars make any request for early finalization if he's just fishing for addresses? He would have been just as successful if he chose to work only within escrow.
This story just doesn't add up.
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Think this pretty much puts a wrap on Gummingwarning's claim:
Gummystars bought an OZ from me.
I have two of his addresses.
He is located in Iowa, shipping to anywhere from iowa takes 5 days max
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lol. This story sounds like it's written by a 16 year old. If I was you, I would just disappear before you give yourself even less creditability.
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If he was LEO why did he buy weed from Listen to the music?
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yeah, why would LE buy drugs off of a high ranking vendor?
I think a better question is
if he was LE why would he scam buyers instead of just buying weed off of a high ranking member?
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I don't think he is LEO, BUT your many of the "reasons" why he isn't posted in this thread are just ridiculous.
It is NOT illegal for police to scam you out of bitcoins, it's not even an officially recognized currency.
Even if you sent them cash, it's legal, they put it in a labelled envelope, put in in the evidence locker, and go for some beers.
They don't really care how much money it costs to do controlled drops, buy seller accounts, or execute warrants in the hope of scaring you into spilling the beans. Law enforcement is their job, and the more they spend doing it, the bigger their budget will be next year.
They OFTEN "bust" a low level person who MAY know the identity of someone they're after, just to offer a "deal" for information. This is a trick they use, and they use it a lot on people they cannot even charge. They do this within the "holding period" where they can question you without charges.
Why would they buy drugs? For evidence, duh! Even if they have no idea who a vendor is, they can cross-reference product bought from multiple vendor IDs through testing to help figure out the source. They don't care if you have their address, are you going to go bust down the door of a cop safehouse to bust him in the head with a bat? Probably not.
A simple search warrant and a few cops is far from going "balls to the wall," it's a fun outing for local LEO, and good training for the men and dogs. From the feds standpoint it's just a few emails and FAXes to get the ball rolling.
Why ask for early finalization? To get that coveted 100 or near rating so as to scam MORE people into ordering/giving up their address.
Selling drugs to folks is not "entrapment" as you folks think. LEO does this sort of thing all the time, and it depends on which state/country you're in. Look at prostitution for example. They get their ladies all dressed up, and get you into hotel rooms and alleys... just when you think she's going to give you a BJ, BAM! You're under arrest.
Also, undercover cops can sell, buy and use drugs with impunity, they just have to write it all down. They also don't have to tell you they are cops if you ask them... that used to be a common false "test" idea perpetuated by television.
We may not hear from other gummy buyers, as perhaps some of them have other drugs in their house and are now under arrest.
Don't just assume this guy is a liar. Treat this with caution. Gummystars is a new vendor, and until people start receiving their gummies we just don't know. He may not be LEO, but perhaps he made a "suspicious drop" at the post office and the gummies were confiscated before delivery. That would give them plenty of info about the locality of the seller, not to mention the address of the buyers. Heck, gummywarning could even be LEO or a rival vendor trying to make him look bad.
I grew up with a member of my family in law enforcement. He taught me a few tricks, the best one being, if you're not willing to do the time, don't do the crime. I am pretty petty, as far as "criminals" are concerned. The most I could ever be busted for is personal amounts, and I am not a dealer of any sort.
This doesn't mean I haven't considered it... but I am fairly clean and an active member of my community.
If you deal, don't buy with the same account.
Don't tell anyone where you buy from, or who you sell to.
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Wow.. This is really getting out of hand.. I AM NOT A SCAMMER AND I AM NOT LEO. If nobody gets there package by tomorrow I am going to start reshipping a few orders at a time to see if it was something I did wrong with my mailing technique. People please stop jumping to conclusions so quickly... I took down ALL of my listings until this is fixed and I am doing absolutely everything I can to figure out what went wrong. I WILL MAKE THIS RIGHT.
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I had a think about this and removed my earlier post to the OP.
Now, I'm thinking it's possible the OP themselves is LEO.
Either that or incredibly dumb -same thing really, but I'm splitting LEO hairs...
How the fuck did they fuck up so much that LEO come to the house mentioning their transaction on SR by site name?
Then leave without taking the computer for a good forensic sweep?
The whole story seems like bad fiction and I'm ashamed I was initially taken in, but I learned from it, you LEO fucks.
This is bullshit bullshit bullshit, but what is the motive of the OP?
A LEO phishing for defensive/offensive strategies and tips? Could be... Let's vaporize this entire thread, its a waste of time and potentially DANGEROUS.
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My first thought upon seeing this thread: "Who's Leo?"
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My first thought upon seeing this thread: "Who's Leo?"
lmfao me too until i read it.
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I had a think about this and removed my earlier post to the OP.
Now, I'm thinking it's possible the OP themselves is LEO.
Either that or incredibly dumb -same thing really, but I'm splitting LEO hairs...
How the fuck did they fuck up so much that LEO come to the house mentioning their transaction on SR by site name?
Then leave without taking the computer for a good forensic sweep?
The whole story seems like bad fiction and I'm ashamed I was initially taken in, but I learned from it, you LEO fucks.
This is bullshit bullshit bullshit, but what is the motive of the OP?
A LEO phishing for defensive/offensive strategies and tips? Could be... Let's vaporize this entire thread, its a waste of time and potentially DANGEROUS.
im in total agreement. just some dude seeking attention to himself trying to look cool in front of his peers.
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Wow.. This is really getting out of hand.. I AM NOT A SCAMMER AND I AM NOT LEO. If nobody gets there package by tomorrow I am going to start reshipping a few orders at a time to see if it was something I did wrong with my mailing technique. People please stop jumping to conclusions so quickly... I took down ALL of my listings until this is fixed and I am doing absolutely everything I can to figure out what went wrong. I WILL MAKE THIS RIGHT.
This is what a good vendor does when he/she has an issue.......
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Wow.. This is really getting out of hand.. I AM NOT A SCAMMER AND I AM NOT LEO. If nobody gets there package by tomorrow I am going to start reshipping a few orders at a time to see if it was something I did wrong with my mailing technique. People please stop jumping to conclusions so quickly... I took down ALL of my listings until this is fixed and I am doing absolutely everything I can to figure out what went wrong. I WILL MAKE THIS RIGHT.
This is what a good vendor does when he/she has an issue.......
Thank you..
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I am not on any side in this issue.
But it is possible that the police did a buy bust operation using the GummyStars account. If the police were 2 do a buy bust on the GummyStars account I think it would go like this..
Fed agency, most likely DEA purchases and directly controls GummyStars. Decides 2 attempt "reverse-buys" using GummyStars. Has the realization that money can be made as well as arrests. Comes up with a very clever scheme 2 encourage people 2 finalize early. People finalize early therefor paying the DEA agent for the agreed upon illicit substance.
The DEA would then do a controlled deliver of the substance.
Although this is a very small case the DEA is under allot of pressure 2 do something about Silk Road. Every law enforcement agency seems powerless so 2 round up 15-20 people for purchasing on SR could be a publicity stunt.
However, if the DEA does a controlled buy here are some tips. If you are waiting on a package from GummyStars listen up:
DEA Controlled Buys:
1) DEA identifies an illicit shipment
2) DEA formulates a plan 2 do a "controlled" delivery
3) The DEA relays on a complex series of actions that must take place in order for the suspect 2 be convicted. Those 3 general steps are listed A - C
A. Suspect takes possession of package.
B. Suspect opens package.
C. Suspect is caught in possession of package.
*Unneeded but greatly desired --- suspects admits 2 obtaining contraband
What is a controlled delivery?
A controlled delivery is where some government agency found contraband (drugs, guns, African diamonds, rhino horn, untaxed cigs) in a package and chooses 2 allow delivery of the package using one of their agencies employees in attempt 2 arrest who the package was addressed 2.
Signs of a "fed or police mail man"
A new mail man is delivering mail 2day
Your mail main knocks on the door and requests you by name
You are asked 2 sign for a parcel
The mail man is using a mail van instead of the normal jeep
If a controlled delivery is being conducted the best thing 2 do would be not 2 open the door. If hes seen you open the door, but refuse anything you have 2 sign for or anything that you think may be drugs or contraband. If the letter is placed in your mail box take it in2 your home but do not open it for 2-3 days. A jury wont convict drug possession for an unopened piece of mail. Do not admit or deny if your caught red handed, ask for a lawyer and say nothing.
No matter what they tell you do not talk without a lawyer. If they say we have you on video say " I need 2 talk 2 a lawyer" if they say we will cut your sentence down 2 just "15 months" say I need 2 talk 2 a lawyer. Do not say anything. The more questions they ask you the better clue you have 2 how much they actually know. If they are asking allot don't tenses up try 2 relax it means they don't know much and an admission of guild is really what they are after.
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From a reputable UK daily:
LEO.
Wednesday 7 December 2011: Some people seem to make their every decision on the basis of an instinct. They play their hunches and trust their feelings. Sometimes, it looks as if this brings them great success and sometimes it lands them in a whole load of trouble. Others almost entirely disregard their intuition but listen intently to their intellect. They think everything through. They trust only logic. This too, tends to bring mixed blessings. Today's events bring you to a rare place, where your head and your heart are in full agreement.
make of that what you will... :D
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I am not on any side in this issue.
But it is possible that the police did a buy bust operation using the GummyStars account. If the police were 2 do a buy bust on the GummyStars account I think it would go like this..
Fed agency, most likely DEA purchases and directly controls GummyStars. Decides 2 attempt "reverse-buys" using GummyStars. Has the realization that money can be made as well as arrests. Comes up with a very clever scheme 2 encourage people 2 finalize early. People finalize early therefor paying the DEA agent for the agreed upon illicit substance.
The DEA would then do a controlled deliver of the substance.
Although this is a very small case the DEA is under allot of pressure 2 do something about Silk Road. Every law enforcement agency seems powerless so 2 round up 15-20 people for purchasing on SR could be a publicity stunt.
However, if the DEA does a controlled buy here are some tips. If you are waiting on a package from GummyStars listen up:
DEA Controlled Buys:
1) DEA identifies an illicit shipment
2) DEA formulates a plan 2 do a "controlled" delivery
3) The DEA relays on a complex series of actions that must take place in order for the suspect 2 be convicted. Those 3 general steps are listed A - C
A. Suspect takes possession of package.
B. Suspect opens package.
C. Suspect is caught in possession of package.
*Unneeded but greatly desired --- suspects admits 2 obtaining contraband
What is a controlled delivery?
A controlled delivery is where some government agency found contraband (drugs, guns, African diamonds, rhino horn, untaxed cigs) in a package and chooses 2 allow delivery of the package using one of their agencies employees in attempt 2 arrest who the package was addressed 2.
Signs of a "fed or police mail man"
A new mail man is delivering mail 2day
Your mail main knocks on the door and requests you by name
You are asked 2 sign for a parcel
The mail man is using a mail van instead of the normal jeep
If a controlled delivery is being conducted the best thing 2 do would be not 2 open the door. If hes seen you open the door, but refuse anything you have 2 sign for or anything that you think may be drugs or contraband. If the letter is placed in your mail box take it in2 your home but do not open it for 2-3 days. A jury wont convict drug possession for an unopened piece of mail. Do not admit or deny if your caught red handed, ask for a lawyer and say nothing.
No matter what they tell you do not talk without a lawyer. If they say we have you on video say " I need 2 talk 2 a lawyer" if they say we will cut your sentence down 2 just "15 months" say I need 2 talk 2 a lawyer. Do not say anything. The more questions they ask you the better clue you have 2 how much they actually know. If they are asking allot don't tenses up try 2 relax it means they don't know much and an admission of guild is really what they are after.
Could you please just stick to one accound sam=advanced logic=darkbanna?
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I am not on any side in this issue.
But it is possible that the police did a buy bust operation using the GummyStars account. If the police were 2 do a buy bust on the GummyStars account I think it would go like this..
Fed agency, most likely DEA purchases and directly controls GummyStars. Decides 2 attempt "reverse-buys" using GummyStars. Has the realization that money can be made as well as arrests. Comes up with a very clever scheme 2 encourage people 2 finalize early. People finalize early therefor paying the DEA agent for the agreed upon illicit substance.
The DEA would then do a controlled deliver of the substance.
Although this is a very small case the DEA is under allot of pressure 2 do something about Silk Road. Every law enforcement agency seems powerless so 2 round up 15-20 people for purchasing on SR could be a publicity stunt.
However, if the DEA does a controlled buy here are some tips. If you are waiting on a package from GummyStars listen up:
DEA Controlled Buys:
1) DEA identifies an illicit shipment
2) DEA formulates a plan 2 do a "controlled" delivery
3) The DEA relays on a complex series of actions that must take place in order for the suspect 2 be convicted. Those 3 general steps are listed A - C
A. Suspect takes possession of package.
B. Suspect opens package.
C. Suspect is caught in possession of package.
*Unneeded but greatly desired --- suspects admits 2 obtaining contraband
What is a controlled delivery?
A controlled delivery is where some government agency found contraband (drugs, guns, African diamonds, rhino horn, untaxed cigs) in a package and chooses 2 allow delivery of the package using one of their agencies employees in attempt 2 arrest who the package was addressed 2.
Signs of a "fed or police mail man"
A new mail man is delivering mail 2day
Your mail main knocks on the door and requests you by name
You are asked 2 sign for a parcel
The mail man is using a mail van instead of the normal jeep
If a controlled delivery is being conducted the best thing 2 do would be not 2 open the door. If hes seen you open the door, but refuse anything you have 2 sign for or anything that you think may be drugs or contraband. If the letter is placed in your mail box take it in2 your home but do not open it for 2-3 days. A jury wont convict drug possession for an unopened piece of mail. Do not admit or deny if your caught red handed, ask for a lawyer and say nothing.
No matter what they tell you do not talk without a lawyer. If they say we have you on video say " I need 2 talk 2 a lawyer" if they say we will cut your sentence down 2 just "15 months" say I need 2 talk 2 a lawyer. Do not say anything. The more questions they ask you the better clue you have 2 how much they actually know. If they are asking allot don't tenses up try 2 relax it means they don't know much and an admission of guild is really what they are after.
Could you please just stick to one accound sam=advanced logic=darkbanna?
Woah woah woah, darkbanana =/= sam or advanced logic. He frequents SLIC and actually has people who will vouch for him and his product.
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Okay I apologize, I was just starting to figure that out. But sam is definitely advanced logic...
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This is my only forum account. I had another one but I deleted it. Dont be mad at me cause I want these people 2 avoid a possible set up. In fact you should thank me Gummy and then say but its no big deal cause im not a pig.
Ive seen you lie about 10 other things why not just add another in2 the mix
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This is my only forum account. I had another one but I deleted it. Dont be mad at me cause I want these people 2 avoid a possible set up. In fact you should thank me Gummy and then say but its no big deal cause im not a pig.
Ive seen you lie about 10 other things why not just add another in2 the mix
Even though I said I would ignore you from now on... Just for shits and giggles.. Would you please post 2 of the "10" things I have lied about?
Also, do I need to post the messages of you posing as a member of the Silk Road Fraud Prevention team lol. When you misspelled 75% of the words in the message and it was just one big run on sentence... which clearly tells me you're lying...
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LOL, if Feds send me a gummy star and i open it, il munch it right away when i suspect any fed involvement such as a bang on my door, no evidence, let them take me to court, what i got a letter in the mail and there was a lovely sweet inside and i eat it sir punish me for that, why is the feds poisoning me with lsd? i just wanted some sweets. THen sue the feds, no evidence of my usage of silkroad so fuck you feds i win court case. Fuck you no-paragraph no grammar haters :P
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This is my only forum account. I had another one but I deleted it. Dont be mad at me cause I want these people 2 avoid a possible set up. In fact you should thank me Gummy and then say but its no big deal cause im not a pig.
Ive seen you lie about 10 other things why not just add another in2 the mix
Haha, this is infamous member KingJoey for all of you who don't know already. Learn all about him in Rumor Mill subforum - he has his own personal stickied thread!
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I don't think he's LEO.
In fact, going by his uncertain approach to his business, his desire to make things right and his his eagerness to please, I'd have him down as cancer or libra.
:D :D :D
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There doesn't seem to be much, if anything, to indicate he is LE. Perhaps a scammer or incompetent.
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I don't think he's LEO.
In fact, going by his uncertain approach to his business, his desire to make things right and his his eagerness to please, I'd have him down as cancer or libra.
:D :D :D
Oh yeah, those cancers are big, cuddly people-pleasers... Just don't hurt their feelings. :'(
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While I'm not sure what to make of this thread, I can say it doesn't seem like he is LEO as I think we would have many more people reporting attempted controlled deliveries or arrests. The fact his other thread is filled with him trying to do what he can to make it better.
My personal thought on the OP is that it is possible his letter was opened by LEO and they could have paid him a personal visit, but to attack the seller without any official proof is careless to say the least.
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New users are probably showing up, quite honestly, due to word of mouth. Since I've been here, I have seen mention of silk road on the clear net multiple times without looking for it. In addition I have heard an acquaintance irl talking about it. Word of mouth has a multiplier effect and even if everyone who finds out about our community doesn't choose to join, there is still bound to be increasingly more newbies as time passes.
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Even LEO would come up with better excuses than the dog ate my stamps...
Gummy is just a kid from IOWA trying to come up on the new noob harvest, btw where are all these noobs coming from?
Must have been a new article released in Weekly Reader or somethin
anyway I have been trying to purchase CWC shedule III chemicals by COD all day under his names and addresses...
HIs DOX will get Dropped here soon
What is your problem, honestly.
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"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity" :P
--"Logic of Empire", a short story written in 1941 by Robert A. Heinlein.
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"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity" :P
--"Logic of Empire", a short story written in 1941 by Robert A. Heinlein.
+1 LOL^ Could not have put it better myself!
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Even LEO would come up with better excuses than the dog ate my stamps...
Gummy is just a kid from IOWA trying to come up on the new noob harvest, btw where are all these noobs coming from?
Must have been a new article released in Weekly Reader or somethin
anyway I have been trying to purchase CWC shedule III chemicals by COD all day under his names and addresses...
HIs DOX will get Dropped here soon
Sam "Master Troll" why must drop Dox on someone every week?
It's against forum guidelines and rarely achieves anything.
:|
nomad bloodbath
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What is seems like to me (and I know, I haven't been around the forums for X years) is that GummyStars is simply a new vendor who may have to revise his/her shipping techniques. As far as the OP is concerned - it seems doubtful; though, perhaps, it is merely the OP's misunderstanding of what actually occurred to him/her.
It seems GummyStars is doing everything that he/she knows to do in this situation to ensure his/her authenticity and trustworthiness and until further reports surface I think it is premature to take decisive action in labeling GummyStars as anything but a novice vendor
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Rule175, you rule haha :) just saw that :) I have new Lsd listings up for anyone that wants awesome Lsd :)